tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post3333211398709263274..comments2023-11-01T01:03:28.646+10:30Comments on stephen clark: Ontological changeStephan Clarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11194782441138561354noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-45735329648486427002013-12-30T08:10:40.566+10:302013-12-30T08:10:40.566+10:30stephen - my first thought was to think of instan...stephen - my first thought was to think of instances when I believe lay presidency is appropriate.<br />My second thought is to wonder why I even want to debate the issue - there are so many similar matters where Christians take different and sometimes passionate stances,blurring our unity in Christ.<br />Unity is a gift of the Spirit and won't be found in endless debates on theological and liturigal matters,(which I admit I am inclined to enjoy all too readily!).The small congregation of which I am a member,regularly prays for all Christians ...that we may be drawn towards each other in truth and love. When this is a sincere purpose then any 'judgement'of other Christians must go out the window ... open to the Spirit, we should be ready to be led in ways that none of us could now imagine.<br />AdeodatusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-4392754552562727242013-12-27T20:11:06.881+10:302013-12-27T20:11:06.881+10:30I think the question about 'ontological chang...I think the question about 'ontological change' is not about whether it is to do with baptism or both…it could be…and, indeed I think, IS about both about baptism…as the primary sacrament…and about ordination as the proclamation of our shared priesthood .<br />Would I be happy with lay presidency at the Eucharist…I think this is actually a diversion.<br />The reality is that all Christians are changed by their identification with Christ (expressed formally through Baptism)…we embrace the Eucharist not as an hierarchical mystery, but as an expression of our Godliness.<br />We Catholics (as an Anglican so I define myself) find this a bit scary<br />Stephan Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11194782441138561354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-85644256593355347392013-12-27T16:48:56.999+10:302013-12-27T16:48:56.999+10:30Re ontological change :as a layperson from the ref...Re ontological change :as a layperson from the reformed tradition, I must agree that ontological change resides in baptism and not ordination. I wonder what Christians of the first three centuries would think of this concept,assembling as they did in houses and other convenient places, and where the Lord's Supper was often presided over by laymen - and dare I say it, occasionally by laywomen. Adeodatus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-38503322143115287052013-06-23T11:13:36.564+09:302013-06-23T11:13:36.564+09:30Pity more do not follow your example in relation t...Pity more do not follow your example in relation to keeping the church open.cecilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-48965719010869935412013-06-23T08:50:43.934+09:302013-06-23T08:50:43.934+09:30cecil
We try to keep AH open as much as possible. ...cecil<br />We try to keep AH open as much as possible. This mean s 24 hours a day if we can<br />While I am here (am presently on LSL) this is relatively easy to do, but sometimes it gets locked and I am not there to keep it open.<br />While I feel fairly strongly about leaving buildings open (it allowed a couple of homeless people to 'camp' in the Church during bleak weather last year for a couple of weeks)<br />This has done little to address "the parlous state of the churches"...maybe a little about the parlous state of my own heart...but the state of the churches is not essentially about the buildingsStephan Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11194782441138561354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-35517271733702328672013-06-23T08:50:43.402+09:302013-06-23T08:50:43.402+09:30cecil
We try to keep AH open as much as possible. ...cecil<br />We try to keep AH open as much as possible. This mean s 24 hours a day if we can<br />While I am here (am presently on LSL) this is relatively easy to do, but sometimes it gets locked and I am not there to keep it open.<br />While I feel fairly strongly about leaving buildings open (it allowed a couple of homeless people to 'camp' in the Church during bleak weather last year for a couple of weeks)<br />This has done little to address "the parlous state of the churches"...maybe a little about the parlous state of my own heart...but the state of the churches is not essentially about the buildingsStephan Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11194782441138561354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-91832092676577604082013-06-22T16:04:47.403+09:302013-06-22T16:04:47.403+09:30I was referring to
All Hallows Church, 37 Coroman...I was referring to <br />All Hallows Church, 37 Coromandel Parade, Blackwoodcecilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-56822822438670876442013-06-21T14:30:32.938+09:302013-06-21T14:30:32.938+09:30What are the opening hours of your church on coro ...What are the opening hours of your church on coro Parade please?<br />cecilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-72585988740219612972013-06-20T13:45:37.486+09:302013-06-20T13:45:37.486+09:30Thanks for that comment (under the cloak of anonym...Thanks for that comment (under the cloak of anonymity)<br />Can I assure you that I do what I can to fix the parlous state of the Church. This largely involves calling people back to its true roots, which is faith in Jesus. (I think my RC friend is trying to do likewise, with a strong commitment to social justice and caring for the poor...what he said to me yesterday is "Which is what I believe the church should really be on about!"<br />The fact that we name the state of the Church as 'parlous' is a place to begin.Stephan Clarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11194782441138561354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13254577.post-77701790192331839662013-06-20T13:11:37.109+09:302013-06-20T13:11:37.109+09:30"parlous state of both our churches"
Wel..."parlous state of both our churches"<br />Well fix it!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com