Men's initiation

Went to an interesting seminar today which discussed appropriate processes of men's initiation. This is both a social and a church issue and raises the question (for me) of how so many aspects of men's life remains unspoken in Australian culture. Part of the question is even just having dialogue about the question.Where men have traditionally not spoken about their feelings at all, it is difficult to imagine them considering issues of separation from their childhood, initiation into adulthood and subsequent recognition of adult status by the community.
We often muse, (and I think that is the right word rather than "think") about brash rites of passage...pub crawls were mentioned during our discussion and trips to brothels spring to mind...but are these boorish outings anything more than self-indulgence and not particularly reflective at all. One of the problems would seem to be that those who talk most about these sorts of rite are not exactly what you would call "men's men" at all. I well remember Bishop Bruce Wilson reminding a clergy gathering discussing his watershed book "Can God survive in Australia?" that one reason we find an absence of men in the pews is that most clergy are not what you would typify as "men's men". He was not being pejorative, it is perhaps a bit much to expect those interested in spirituality to also appeal on a more macho front! It may even be that the popular male stereotypes do not necessarily speak the best about masculinity....the drunk, the slugger, the loud mouth, the arrogant....often seem to me to be poor examples of what a mature man should be.
It is an interesting question. How do we get our young boys to graduate to manhood. As a father of daughters I am interested in the feminine version of this question too.